imported>LordTBT at 16:21, 25 April 2023

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I think what Jacques meant by his "no gray characters" comment was that all of his characters were either good or bad, but that certain vermin could be good or certain woodlanders could be bad. There can be species crossovers, just no creatures who truly are neutral with regards to character.
[[User:Cowpigsquish|Cowpigsquish]] 03:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)Cowpigsquish

I don't think you're correct on your first sentence. Brian Jacques might have meant that, or meant none at all by the exact words of the quote. On yoru following point, I agree in full ~[[User:Taggerung of Redwall]]

How the hec is King Bull Sparra grey? He was definatley bad......[[User:SunflashtheAwesome|SunflashtheAwesome]] 17:18, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

In redwall friend or foe Brain says that goodness could not be in his villains, so in other words, if there is goodness in a creature, even if it is a vermin, HE/SHE IS NOT A VILLAINS OR GREY CHARACTER HE/SHE IS A GOODIE!

Anon, be a little more open-minded *Sigh* if you look a little harder you'll see that BJ bent or even broke his own rules plenty of times. Look at Triggut Frap from ''the Sable Quean'' and Fenno from ''Marlfox'' were so-called 'goodbeasts' and yet they did a lot of cruel, evil things that most definitely categorize them as villains even though they're technically just 'grey'. The same can be said with Romsca in ''Pearls of Lutra'', she may have been a corsair; but at least she was kind to her crew and looked out for Abbot Durral, and in the end, she '''DID''' reform before her death.
[[User:SalemtheCruel|Vilaya]] [[User Talk:SalemtheCruel|Don't tread on me!]] 10:21, June 6, 2013 (UTC)SalemtheCruel

Some "good" species have bad individuals, like Tugga Bruster, Fenno, Grumpy Watervole and King Bull Sparra. They are all villains. Just because they are of generally good species doesn't mean that they are gray. They all did villain worthy things {{unsigned|99.17.211.157|14:56, June 20, 2013}}
:Yes it does. -- [[User:LordTBT|LordTBT]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|Talk!]] 22:51, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Squire Julian Gingivere firmly belongs in the good character category and maybe even Blaggut. Julian never hurt a woodlander, and in fact he even killed members of cluny's horde, iirc. Blaggut could be argued that he is a grey character because he was part of a corsair crew and his heart was only softened by the Dibbuns, but I think he is overall a good character, because he felt sorrow after mother Mellus' death and he killed his captain as repentance for his role in the crime. Even if he had previously had done bad things I think he has done enough he should be in the good creatures category. Abbot Saxtus or whoever even said 'there was good in his heart.'
[[User:Yeetorito77777|Yeetorito77777]] ([[User talk:Yeetorito77777|talk]]) 15:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

:Since Brian Jacques generally used different species to denote "good" and "bad", characters that are exceptions to this rule as considered grey. "Grey" can mean a good character who is a wildcat or a bad character who is a shrew. -- [[User:LordTBT|LordTBT]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|Talk!]] 16:21, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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imported>LordTBT at 16:21, 25 April 2023