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		<title>imported&gt;LordTBT at 14:45, 14 August 2017</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;I reckon [[Mariel of Redwall]] and [[The Bellmaker]] work pretty well with the Joseph bell becoming the Methusaleh (or is it Methuselah?) and the Matthias bells.[[User:Mauran Axestripe|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Goldenrod &amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mauran Axestripe&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:For Mauran.png | 60px |]] [[User talk:Mauran Axestripe|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;goldenrod&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Eulaliaaaaaa!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 00:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could you please explain what you mean? [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 16:52, December 2, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Can you PLEASE explain? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You keep talking about how wrong everything I put on this page was, yet you never even say &amp;#039;&amp;#039;why&amp;#039;&amp;#039; anything was in specific was wrong! So as far as I know, you might just be changing all my edits because you think everything I do is trolling, which I admit, I have done at times in the past. But I wasn&amp;#039;t trying to troll here! [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 16:52, December 2, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please respond. I have avoided changing things again because I&amp;#039;m trying to talk it out and understand how any of my edits were specifically wrong. [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 20:46, December 4, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&amp;#039;m still waiting to hear back. [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 06:11, December 9, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&amp;#039;m getting tired of being ignored. Apparently you were so fed up with my edits to this page that you saw the need to protect it for a year, but you still have not explained &amp;#039;&amp;#039;why&amp;#039;&amp;#039; my edits were apparently wrong. [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 03:28, December 11, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You were informed in an edit summary on Oct. 23 that the article was fine and not opinionated. That&amp;#039;s final. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 03:36, December 11, 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You say I can&amp;#039;t add words like &amp;quot;strange&amp;quot;, yet this article adds &amp;quot;beautiful&amp;quot; into the description. You&amp;#039;re going against your own logic. As for my other edits to the page, they were if anything adding to the article. [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 20:41, August 8, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The bell is described as &amp;#039;beautiful&amp;#039; in the book, it is not the opinion of an editor here. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to propose the edits I&amp;#039;m going to make to this page before I make them, if that&amp;#039;s OK with you? [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 04:14, August 13, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Go ahead. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 22:57, August 13, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to change this section:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A special feast called &amp;quot;The Feast of the Bell Raising&amp;quot; celebrated its placement in the Abbey&amp;#039;s Bell Tower, complete with a bell-shaped fruitcake as big as the bell itself. Mariel&amp;#039;s [[Gullwhacker]] was used as the Bell&amp;#039;s tolling rope, and [[Rufe Brush]] was the first bellringer. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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And make it this:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A special feast called &amp;quot;The Feast of the Bell Raising&amp;quot; celebrated its placement in the Abbey&amp;#039;s Bell Tower, complete with a bell-shaped fruitcake as big as the bell itself, and [[Rufe Brush]] was given the title as the first bellringer. Mariel Gullwhaker and Dandin tied the former&amp;#039;s [[Gullwhacker]] to be used as the Bell&amp;#039;s tolling rope.&amp;#039;&amp;#039; [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 01:57, August 14, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We&amp;#039;ve reached a point in this database where edits really need to be adding to articles. Changing these words around doesn&amp;#039;t change the meaning already present in the article. Instead of focusing on categories and the way sentences are worded, where the Redwall Wiki really needs help is [[:Category:Stubs|stub articles]]. I would suggest turning your attention that way. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 03:41, August 14, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But is there nothing wrong with changing that around? It seems fair, as the last part I would have written is the last part established in the book. [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 04:32, August 14, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think I just explained if an article is complete, and covers the topic accordingly, changing a few words around in a sentence is unnecessary. There are areas to focus on here, and it&amp;#039;s not rearranging sentences or adding categories. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, but I also have another edit I want to propose. &lt;br /&gt;
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I want to change this:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Seasons later, [[Cluny the Scourge]] attacked Redwall. In the last desperate fight between [[Matthias]] and Cluny in the belltower, Matthias cut the rope holding the bell in place, causing it to crash onto Cluny, killing the rat instantly. The bell itself was destroyed in the process, and was recast into two new bells, called the Matthias and [[Methuselah]] bells.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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And make it into this:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Many seasons later, in the [[Summer of the Late Rose]], [[Cluny the Scourge]] attacked Redwall. He eventually fought [[Matthias]]  in the belltower, and Matthias cut the rope holding the bell in place, causing it to crash onto Cluny, killing the rat instantly. However, the bell itself was destroyed in the process. By the [[Summer of the Talking Squirrel]], it has been replaced by two new bells, the Matthias and [[Methuselah]] bells.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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Does that seem like a fair change? [[User:Argulor|Argulor]] ([[User talk:Argulor|talk]]) 05:01, August 14, 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If it&amp;#039;s seriously that big a deal to you, fine. -- [[User:LordTBT|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;LordTBT&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot; size=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:45, August 14, 2017 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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