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Would Dingeye and Thura be considered gray characters? [[User:Nevar00|Nevar00]] 19:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:They killed a Brother and stole the sword of Martin. No. -- [[User:LordTBT|LordTBT]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[User talk:LordTBT|Talk!]] 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
* ''Accidentally'' killed him. Though I'll agree on the theft. [[User:Laburnum|Laburnum]]

== Actually... ==

You know, I actually liked these guys. I consider them gray, no matter what others say. Heck, Dingeye even cried when Thura died. Not for long, and he eventually fell to complaining about him, but it was a start... [[User:Some random redwall fan|Some random redwall fan]] 04:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

* Lots of people seem to like these guys. They clearly aren't supposed to be "good" guys, because they stole the Sword and Dingeye left Thura to die (there wasn't much he could have done to help, but it's still a rotten thing to do to your best friend) but they didn't actually ''mean'' to hurt or kill anyone, so I don't think they could be called "evil". --[[Special:Contributions/81.152.65.97|81.152.65.97]] 00:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[[User:Laburnum|Laburnum]]

==Random fact ...==

I studied British dialects in English Language class, and looked up some slang and accent features used in the Redwall books out of curiosity. Apparently "mucker" is from the Midlands dialect, which was voted "Britain's most unintelligent-sounding accent". After listening to the ''Salamandastron'' audiobook, I have to agree *grin* [[User:Laburnum|Laburnum]]

== Picture ==

Which stoat is which? You have no details about them, so there's no way of telling. [[User:Tazmaria Goldeneyes|Tazmaria Goldeneyes]] 23:13, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

* Since we don't know the difference between them, does it matter overmuch? Personally I'd peg the one in the foreground as Thura, though I can't really put my finger on why. [[User:Laburnum|Laburnum]] 01:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

:It could be made more clear in the Russia novel, the image could very well be captioned. -- [[User:LordTBT|LordTBT]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[User talk:LordTBT|Talk!]] 03:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

== Grey Characters? ==
I really like grey characters especially these two and veil. they never did anything wrong or truly good so i think they are grey. they ACCIDENTLY shot a brother and they stole a sword out of fear. I kinda wish they both lived.

I like grey characters too and i feel the same way [[User:Burglebuber|Burglebuber]] ([[User talk:Burglebuber|talk]]) 20:02, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I like grey vermin. For the most part, they are actually nicer than the grey woodlanders, who are only "grey" because of their species. Dingeye and Thura should be grey characters--[[User:Alderjack the Treescamp|Alderjack the Treescamp]] ([[User talk:Alderjack the Treescamp|talk]]) 00:16, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
::I like grey characters for the most part as well. These characters, however, are '''not grey characters'''. [[File:Biggrensignature.gif|64px|link=User:Biggren]]([[User talk:Biggren|Tuûr!]]) 19:13, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'd also agree that, though they were friendly towards Redwallers in the book and weren't seen doing anything ''intentionally'' evil, they aren't grey characters. They were in Ferahgo's horde, remember? --[[User:Reep the Warrior|Reep Lightingflash - ]][[User talk:Reep the Warriorg|Anybody got cheese?]] 23:30, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Good point, but they deserted because they no longer wanted to be in the horde. They were probably forced to be Corpsemakers.--[[User:Alderjack the Treescamp|Alderjack the Treescamp]] ([[User talk:Alderjack the Treescamp|talk]]) 17:17, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

How is DINGEYE a villain but not THURA? They do all the same actions and behave the same way, so if one is gray, the other should be as well. [[User:Alderjack the Treescamp|Alderjack the Treescamp]] ([[User talk:Alderjack the Treescamp|talk]]) 02:58, May 16, 2017 (UTC)
:They're both villains. You added the grey category 2 years ago and I didn't catch it. It's been removed. -- [[User:LordTBT|LordTBT]] [[Image:Tbtico.jpg]] [[Message_Wall:LordTBT|Talk!]] 05:01, May 16, 2017 (UTC)

I’m not going to argue against them both being villains, since it’s clear that’s the official consensus here. HOWEVER, I do consider Thura a little more morally ambiguous than Dingeye, simply because Dingeye was the one to leave Thura to die on his own. Would Thura have done the same to Dingeye if their positions were reversed? Perhaps. But we don’t know for sure. And so for this reason I consider Thura the more likeable of the two. [[User:BirdOfBlueFeathers22|BirdOfBlueFeathers22]] ([[User talk:BirdOfBlueFeathers22|talk]]) 06:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're a vermin, you've already lost your chance to be listed as anything but a villain until you give a perfectly good reason as to why you deserve Grey Character status- and that doesn't include being a bit less violent and aggressive than your typical cohorts. Dingeye and Thura hated soldiering and liked the Abbeybeasts, but they assumably performed their fair share of wicked deeds whilst working for Ferahgo.
What makes you worthy of Grey Character status is a good deed done out of selflessness for "goodbeasts", and/or a friendship forged with a "goodbeast". Graylunk became friends with Fermald the squirrel and trusted her with the Pearls of Lutra; Blaggut swore off his verminous ways, killed his wicked captain, and became friends with the Abbeybeasts. Grubbage became friends with the Abbeybeasts and helped navigate them to Riftgard. Cap'n Romsca became friends with Abbot Durral and died to keep him safe... all of these are examples of wonderful vermin Grey Characters.
Dingeye and Thura, though they seemed to more or less be likeable fellows merely pushed to commit villainy, did no such good deeds.
[[User:Brigadier Barty|~Brigadier Barty]]

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