Talk:Holt Lutra

Are Holt Lutra and caves of Luke, the same place? --213.103.87.77 12:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

No. Holt Lutra was an otter holt on the northwestern shore of Mossflower. The caves of Luke's tribe were a completely different place, farther north.

--Cornflower 13:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the answer to that question isn't quite so simple, if you look at the map in the book Pearls of Lutra, you see the Holt to be on the north shores of Mossflower, note the location of the river north of redwall in relationship to the abbey and the Holt.

(I am aware that this convo is years old lol but I'll write this anyway)

Now look at the "Martin's Journey" map in "The Legend of Luke" You will see that the distance between Redwall and the shore and the river and the path is slightly different. You can also see that the distance from Mossflower to the shore has changed over time. You will also see that the caves of Luke's tribe are not north of mossflower, rather west you might say. And the Holt and Lukes caves seem to be around the same place... I have several ideas to explain this, one being that over time, water eroded the cliffs and they disappeared and Mossflower grew quite a bit, expanding its edges closer to the sea. For this theory to work out, it would have to be assumed that an extremely long period of time passed between the events of the book "Salamandastron" and the book "Redwall" which is very possible as there is no evidence to suggest the time that passed between them. Another theory I have is that Holt Lutra is either south or north of the caves and the map drawings were simply off slightly. But I doubt that Lukes caves would be too very far north of the holt as you suggested. Bludrigg (talk) 18:42, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

Worth noting, the map is in the eyes of the illustrator...we can't necessarily interpret geographical changes or distances as a result. -- LordTBT File:Tbtico.jpg ^Talk! 23:03, May 10, 2017 (UTC)